the low stretch and fluorocarbon coated nylon work similar to braid. dragon is the best I have tried so far 13lb is .25mm. blackmagic tough is another one that is good. tried platypus low stretch is a bit too stiff for a spinning reel -be fine on a overhead. have list of others I want to try but hard to obtain. black magic the most cost effective- 1000 metres about $23. dragon is $20 for 150 metres.