- 07/02/2011 at 3:50 am #17471
anyone keen on a shark fish sunday if weahter is ok08/02/2011 at 4:44 am #17499fishforpotParticipant
there is a thread just for this idea …….down the bottom of the main forum page
and I might be09/02/2011 at 5:21 am #17514
Shark fish where?09/02/2011 at 8:33 am #17521
birdlands maybe if weahter ok08/06/2011 at 10:38 pm #18286
I’m from up North, East Cape, Wanganui… used to be a fishing journalist for NZ Fisherman magazine specialising in LBG and big sharks from land. Used to fish with Mark Draper, Pete Lamb if you know those guys. Been down here 10 years but went fishing last week for the first time at Timaru mole. No gear and everybody told me the fishing was rubbish is the reason I never went sooner.
Been out twice now… zero… but sure looks like livebaiting material to me off those moles at Timaru. Just a lot shallower than expected (good for rays I’d imagine). Biggest problem is zero kahawai at this time of year? I’ve had two big burley trails out now and not a single kahawai. There must be something at the top of the foodchain cruising that harbour area because the mullet in the berley are spooky. They dart in and feed real fast then go and hide instead of just feeding in the trail. Had a seal and a penguin in the berley.
I’ve heard of kingis caught off rocks near Chch in late summer. To check if you can get kingis somewhere in summer, watch that purple water line where the purple warm water meets that green or blue inshore (colder). Anywhere that purple water gets close enough to shore (even off a beach) and there’s a chance at kingis. The kingis follow that purple water around the NZ coast. I sure do miss them down here and the lack of snapper.
There’s some huge sharks down here somewhere. When I was a journo, a guy down here (Timaru-Oamaru), sent me photos of a huge shark caught in a gill net off the beach. It was 600 pound estimate and I think it was a porbeagle shark but I could be wrong. I also noticed seagulls following the fishing boats into Timaru port in the evening indicating they were cleaning their catch on the way in. Big sharks often follow fishing boats in if they make a habit of cleaning their catch. Haven’t got a clue what to use as a livebait though. Really miss having kahawai around.
Best fishing platforms I’ve seen so far in the South Island is the Catlins. Those are real big fish deep water platforms and probably never been live-baited. You’d probably get white pointers feeding on the seals. Be a real extreme place to target sharks. In midsummer I saw purple water in close at the catlins so the warm water does reach a long way south sometimes.
Also can’t get decent bait down here to make proper LBG berley. Whole frozen bonito are best by miles then frozen pilchards. Haven’t been able to find either in Timaru. Can’t make a real berley out of squid. Thinking I may have to berley up at the wharf to catch a sack of mullet on sabiki rigs then chop them up for berley? Don’t like doing berley trails around here. The locals stare like I’m crazy with a berley bucket and balloons and some get ratty if they’ve been fishing all day and caught nothing then I show up with berley trail and attract all the fish.
rocky09/06/2011 at 4:18 am #18288
Winter isnt the best time to start fishing down in timaru but it has potential over summer. Big short-tail rays up to and maybe over 200kg are in the area although for some reason I’ve only managed one smaller one off the wharf, heard of a 200kg+ one washing up on the beach at caroline bay. Also heard stories of nets being destroyed by sharks at caroline bay but that could just be seven gillers which would be pretty common around there. As for snapper there was a small one caught at jacks point just south of Timaru last season although a very rare catch. I wouldn’t be confident about kingfish being that far south though but you just never know as I guess people don’t spend time out there targeting them.
The dunedin area looks really promising for shark fishing with threshers, makos, blues, porbeagles, great whites and seven gillers all offshore. Apparently they used to catch makos land based off the rocks somewhere around there. They also have shark nets at the beaches and apparently most of the catch in those are seven gillers and threshers.
Your post got me thinking up plans for summer and there’s so many places to fish around the south island just gotta find the right places and time to fish them. Some of those pretty extreme rock fishing spots down south probably have a lot of potential but not sure how you’d go about landing a big fish once you hook it and it’s not somewhere to fish alone.09/06/2011 at 4:40 am #18289troutfishernzParticipant
Yeah there is some massive rays in Caroline bay saw one in the harbour last year would have been at least 60-70kg. Havent really tryed hooking them though as landing them on the rocks would be kinda hard. You would have to fish off the beach.
And yes finding good berley/bait in Timaru is dam hard all you can buy at supermarkets is squid. I have seen bonito at one Fishing shop but it was way to expensive.09/06/2011 at 6:04 am #18290MiliwolfParticipant
IMO one would not even try to land any large shark while rock fishing. Would be a quick photo and release. Would want long handle wire cutters.
Kingfish are more common around Canturbury then Snapper seem to be… So using my logic they should be more likely to caught around Timaru assuming the warm water gets close enough to shore.
Even up in Marlborough it can be tricky to get good numbers of KY into a berely trail. The trawlers all but overfished them. Using mullet for burley is probably the best idea, Salmon/Trout also make good berley but they can be time consuming to catch. I personally purchase 5kg Salmon Berley bombs, can be gotten for aound $11 in a few stores in Nelson, have recently started to see a few frozen whole Bonito in Blenheim stores so they might one day become avaiable further south.
[quote:3lww95et] There must be something at the top of the foodchain cruising that harbour area because the mullet in the berley are spooky.
Barracouta11/06/2011 at 7:36 am #18295surfrodParticipant
would be really interesting to see some LBG effort put around the Sth Island over the next few years. I agree with Rocky that there is potential aorund areas like Catlins and you might be surprised what might show up if you had a livebait out in a likely spot. I’m Nth Island based but Sth Island born and have to say it blew my mind the first time i put a livebait out and saw a 15kg kingfish arrive. It seems so unlikely until you do it and they show up. Kingies are actually reasonably tolerant of cooler water (to a point obviously) and are present in good numbers right down to Wellington, no reason why they wouldn’t straggle south in OK numbers in a good year. But if you don’t fish for them (mostly livebait) you won’t even know they’re there. But yes sharks would probably be the main game.11/06/2011 at 1:07 pm #18296Jones Jr.Participant
I remember reading I think it might’ve been on here or somewhere else that some kingfish were taken in a trawler that was working off the Timaru coast 2 or so years back in late summer.
I should try for a kingie this summer to, I’ve got the gear there that’s for sure. Had a boat but gone now so would be land based fishing. Could buy a resonable dingy though and launch at Scarlborough and go around the heads there which could be an idea as I’ve got a 10hp outboard in the garage.
Aaron12/06/2011 at 12:18 am #18298
I have landed many big sharks from land before. My biggest is estimated 300 pound bronze whaler (released) but I have weighed in a 100 pound seven gill and a 200 pound stingray. I hate hooking rays. The 200 pounder took nine hours to land (but won an Opotiki surf Fishing Competition) and exploded an alvey 651C reel. Had to handline it for the last hour and tow it out of the surf with a landrover. I’ve caught over 100 school sharks (30 – 60 pound) from land over the years.
Yes i figured it must be barracouta scaring the fish. I like catching couta, they put up a vicious fight and I’m wondering how one would go as a livebait? I’d expect big seven gillers in the Timaru harbour area too but more so at night. You can keep your rays lol. They’re too easy to catch anyway. They come right up and suck on a berley bag and the biggest kahawai I’ve ever used as a livebait was scoffed by a giant ray that spooled me on a Penn Senator 9/0. Never stopped once. Just ate the kahawai then headed out to sea.
Sharks are easy to land off the rocks if you use a flying gaff but I only do catch and release these days for sharks. I have no idea how far South kingfish actually show up but I do know several places up North (around Taranaki breakwaters and Nukumara Rock) where locals swore there was no kingies until somebody actually livebaited the location (and that means testing all tides and conditions… not just one fishing trip) and discovered they were there all the time. I’ve lost count of the kingies I’ve caught LBG, my biggest being 77 pounds properly weighed (won the Te Kaha Fishing Competition with that fish and I was only lanbased guy fishing against all the boats but I caught the biggest fish of any species… that kingi). I’ve found they absolutely hate dirty water but will come into very shallow areas if the water temp (usually signified by a purple colour) is right.
Up North we catch the really big kingis in midwinter. There’s only about 5% of the numbers but they’re big. I’m thinking there is potential to catch huge sharks down here. The area is totally underfished from an LBG perspective. I haven’t seen a single balloon fisherman in the South Island yet but similar looking ledges up North are standing room only. It’s hard to say what is actually out there until it gets fished properly.
I remember fishing the Wanganui North Mole years ago. For weeks I’d watched the same retired old fisherman surfcasting off the mole and sitting there all day for a handful of red cod and a kahawai if they were lucky. One day I couldn’t take it any more so I went down with a berley bucket. In two hours I had a workup going on big time with kahawai and barracouta smashing into my berley which was full of a cloud of feeding mullet. Everybody on the breakwater was crowded around casting into my berley and really pissing me off. I was catching kahawai or couta every cast… just straylining at my feet. My point being that the fish were there all along but nobody was targeting them properly.
Having said that…. so far my efforts around Timaru have been very sad but I’m still sussing it out. I realise summer is best but any day fishing is good for me. I know all about tides and moon and weather but I’ll still go fishing when everything says it’s bad or in the middle of winter. You just never know aye.
rocky12/06/2011 at 12:43 am #18299
I’ve found rays to be one of the easiest big fish in the world to hook. Just a few simple steps to catch them. Use HUGE baits that will be too big for any other fish except a shark. Then the bait can just sit there all day on the bottom oozing out a trail. Berley attracts rays like bees to honey. If you’re truly serious about wanting to catch a table top then fish at night. Big rays move into shallow bays at night where the water has warmed up during the day. They’ll go right up into knee deep water and sit there at night. Caroline Bay is probably perfect for a big ray after dark warming itself in the shallows. Every potential LBGer should hook at least one giant ray in their lifetime just so they know why we hate catching them so much. It’s like catching a Volkswagen that goes and parks on the bottom and puts on the handbrake. There’s really very little difference between catching a big ray and being hopelessly snagged on the bottom. Lol.
rocky12/06/2011 at 1:16 am #18300
yes they are alot of fun we get some very big ones at lyttleton over winter12/06/2011 at 5:44 am #18301
They’re no fun at all when they take a heavy duty $15 shark rig (stainless, braided and roller swivels) then go sit on the bottom for the next six hours. Or chase your live bait all over the ocean trying to get over the top of it so they can eat it. Worst of all is when they lurk under the berley bag or suck on it all day so no small fish show up at all. I hate them. They’re relatively easy to tame so there’s not much sport in it really. If you consistently berley the same spot long enough (over the weeks or months) then eventually it will become a feeding station for the all the large rays in the area and they’ll hang around that spot.12/06/2011 at 6:04 am #18303
i fish for them on 30ld braid and 7/o hooks thats alot of fun caught lots of them this way, i will and put some pics on here
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